Why does it seem that narcissists get worse with age?
Aging is hard. Losing our vitality and facing our mortality can be scary and painful. But we discover upsides, like reaping the fruits of our personal and professional labors, recognizing our core values and releasing shallow pursuits, and enjoying long-term connections with family and friends. But for the narcissistic personality, gratitude is difficult and aging tends to heighten feelings of vulnerability, fear, and rage.
Bitterness
Instead of maturing, mellowing, and gaining wisdom, narcissists, unless helped with treatment (which is unusual), remain emotionally stunted children whose deficient empathy and self-centered neediness intensify with aging. They view growing old as a series of ravaging defeats that they struggle against with denial and resentment or submit to with depressed resignation.
Having relied heavily on externalities such as their looks, wealth, fame, connections, or professional achievements to fortify their fragile self-esteem, older narcissists find themselves increasingly stripped of their defenses and diminished in their ability to charm, impress, bully, manipulate, and otherwise control others. Since narcissists nearly always refuse to take responsibility for their actions or circumstances, they grow bitter and feel victimized by life, blaming others for their disappointments.
Going to Extremes
Narcissists tend to age into extreme versions of their worst selves. And when dementia comes into the picture, it often exacerbates matters. As narcissists get worse with age, they become more
- desperate,
- deluded,
- isolated,
- paranoid,
- defensive,
- bitter,
- angry,
- rigid,
- mean, and
- abusive.
Isolation
Because of narcissists’ lack of compassion and their antagonism, as they age their relationships and friendships often falter or fail, leaving them lonely and isolated:
- Spouses may have left or withdrawn to avoid their criticism and combativeness.
- Adult children may have pulled away or cut contact altogether because of their toxic influence.
- Their grandchildren may be estranged from them because their adult children have asserted boundaries to protect their families.
- Friends may have pulled away because of their unmasked arrogance, selfishness, and envy.
- Neighbors and other community members may have rejected them because of their callous behavior and rude assertions of superiority and entitlement.
- Extended family may have excluded them because of their divisiveness.
Bigotry
As their personal power fades and their social sphere narrows, narcissists are more likely to look for scapegoats anywhere they can. Their increasingly desperate grandiose delusions often bring out bigotry and assertions of superiority over marginalized people, including other old people. Aging narcissists often express ageism, sexism, racism, and queerphobia to bolster themselves against their feelings of lost power over others.
Find strategies for managing aging narcissistic parents/partners in Julie’s new book The Narcissist in Your Life: Recognizing the Patterns and Learning to Break Free from Hachette Books.
Listen to Julie being interviewed about the narcissistic family on The Addicted Mind Podcast and Narcissist Apocalypse Podcast.
Need support? Julie provides specialized narcissistic abuse recovery coaching to clients around the world.
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39 Comments
Thank you, Julia. Your valuable articles continue to provide clues to understanding my own family experiences.
I’m so glad you’re finding them helpful.
My mother, who is 81 years old has never given me a compliment in her entire life. Fact. When I was a young girl, my hair was cut short, (golden girl sis had long hair). Ok, moving to the teenage years. Not bought a bra, sanitary protection, not allowed make-up, not allowed friends home, no birth-day parties, not allowed to study what I wanted, had to get a job to ‘pay your way my-girl’ – got job and within minutes of hearing that I had said job, then rushed out to work out what percentage of my wages I had to give her. I have never had one conversation with my mother. Not then, not now not ever. I am 52 years old. This woman has tried to kill me three times. I am not kidding. Told, by her, at the age of 14 that she ‘threw me against a wall as a baby – but you bounced’ – wtf?????? and when I stood up to her, and her tyranny (coz that is what it is) has tried to strangle me. Once, when my sister who is to years younger than me – sat and watched her do it, as I had challenged the utter rubbish my mother was filling my sisters head with…….It truly never ever ends. She tried to convince my daughter (who was 20 at the time), that I was born evil – and had a bitter and twisted mind. My sister agrees with her. I am no contact now with these two vipers – who sadly call themselves Christian’s. till in pain though, at the injustice and the downright lies these two women are happy to engage in. Hugs to you all…..Oh one more thing about my 81 year old mother’s vanity. She had bought new glasses, popped them on and said – oooh I can see all your wrinkles,,,,,,, I am 30 years younger than her, and in very good shape……..what a ridiculous old hag she is………lol.x
Julia, I am so sorry. You had it far worse than I did. I was beaten badly, raped at five, and beaten some more, but I would rather have that than what you went through. I had my DNA done and I have a confirmed surname of Hall. I wonder if we are related. Read “Toxic Parents” by Dr. Susan Forward with Craig Buck, an oldie but goodie, and realize that your mother and sister are toxic and you need to stay far, far away from them. It’s hard to renounce your family, but if you can do it, you’ll be better for it!
So sorry Teresa. You are in good company.
Wow! This is my 70 y.o. narc that you describe. The ‘gettin worse with age’ is the reason I finally left; but it only makes him worse. Divorcing a narc seems impossible (at least in California). Do you have any articles on this topic?
Yes, divorcing a narcissist is usually a nightmare. They make it that way, even when they do the leaving. I’ve written about handling coparenting with a narc ex but not divorcing one.
This post is a perfect description of my NMIL the last 4 months since she moved into an assisted living facility with her co-dependent spouse. It was her choice to move. My husband (scapegoat) and I have fretted about why she can’t make the adjustment, what we can suggest or do from 3 hours away or during our infrequent visits. You just gave us the answer. Nothing. Nothing will make her happy. You said it all in your headings…bitterness, isolation, and going to extremes. Thanks for hitting the nail on the head.
Just found your article in Huffington Post. Raised by Narc father and enabling mom. Married a Malignant Narc and thankfully got out quickly. 62 years old and finally seeing my life clearly and starting the healing process. I’ve done ALOT of reading about this subject. Your clear and precise explanation of this brain disorder is far and away the best. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work!
I will try to make it short. Married at 25 with a professional degree. Married the girl of my dreams so I thought. Been married for 50 years. Yes 50 years, Been able to put up with her subtle narcissistic behavior until about 5 years ago when she began embarrassing me in public, telling unbelievable lies, disparaging a recent professional award that I received and attempted to turn my children against me. I am a very strong person who has recovered from colon cancer and am stabilized with bipolar disorder. No way is she going to do me in! I AM STRONG!!
I am so sorry to hear this. It’s a shame you cannot be sharing your life’s work of awards and time together for such length in joy or at least satisfaction without such bizarre behavior and defamation.
Baffling creatures they are.
Wow. This is my father. He is in his 70s and had a spike in physical violence last year. I am 25. He’s been abusive my whole life, but last year he choked me and kicked me down a flight of stairs. Since then, I have been no contact but he still tries to do little manipulative things to get me back into his web when I visit my mom (they are unfortunately still married which makes me so sad and angry!!). He’ll give me presents and compliment me on my body (weird), but even in his compliments, he will insult my other sisters (glad you’re not fat like so-and-so). Although he is married to my mother, she barely speaks to him and he spends the majority of his time isolated in his bedroom (they have separate bedrooms). He is a flaming bigot and takes any chance he gets to express his disdain for marginalized people.
I came on this page because I actually dated a 25 year old narcissist for years. We broke up four months ago, but I guess I am still curious about how his story will end and what he will become in the future. I can’t wait until I no longer care about things like that. Wishing you all much self-love, compassion, and joy on your journey. The best thing to do with these creatures is compassionately ignore them!
My great grandmother was an N, controlled everyone, highly jealous. She destroyed her kids’ normal lives, undermining, demeaning. Then there was the extreme religious perfectionism since my great grandfather was a minister of some kind. So their 9 kids were raised with all that toxicity, creating fear, facades, double lives, vices, two-faces. And their kids became the same. I had (at least) 3 great aunts with Narcissism, and a several cousins (1st and 2nd) known to be N. The sexual abuse was insane – some abusers and some abused, the possessiveness/jealousy and control monstrous.- usually with the sexual abuse. I was ‘had’ repeatedly (impregnated once; the family doctor induced a miscarriage by a 3 day measles shot; he didn’t verify if I was pregnant, and my mother ensured he didn’t check) by a minister cousin and his son, two great uncles, and the family doctor who lived behind our house (my mother’s bipolar narcissism, if that diagnosis is possible with her GAD, was very sociable at times; my father suspected but of course she denied everything, usually before she took a breath). On occasion, I witnessed various men leaving our home before we rode our bikes back from school.
She cut my hair short when I was 4 but repeated the effort later on, however manipulated me to let her do it so it was ‘my fault’ if I didn’t like it. I was ridiculed by a school photographer after the 2nd cut, age 7, saying I looked like a boy. She tried to take my boyfriends from me or at least to keep them from me, she said it was my fault when a boy liked me. She undermined my interests including going to college. Her contrived commentary (what I call her cliches she always used thus limiting her vocabulary) was ‘no, can’t, won’t, why, it’s your fault, what’s wrong with you.’ She uses tone of voice more often than not to control, along with excessive flattery. With her hidden emotions, she is like an invisible toxin. She destroyed my father’s career as well as destroying a brother’s marriage. The other son, her golden child, can do no wrong yet he’s the wild child, heavy drug abuser for decades. Myself, the other brother and my father are clean, sober, hard working, decent people and we are the scapegoats.
I am now caregiver as she wreaks new havoc (covert narcissist) and destroys lives. She brags at how she prepared for this time in her life – in reality she had no savings and had mortgaged my family house underwater with her 2nd husband. I have tried to get things under control but as it is, there is no financial means for a facility for her–I am stuck with this mess.
My family (father, other brother, myself) has been destroyed by her machinations while the other brother, the golden child, has a life and a good income — none of which he shares with his parents. I have had to put together the financial means to ensure my parents have what they need. I cannot work as she is so needy, I cannot even study anymore at our home due to her constant interruptions and the constant denials of her behaviors.
My life, my marriage was destroyed by her and one of her cousins, the jealousy thing. In my youth he raped me (the pregnancy), threatened to kill me, tell my family whom he gloated would believe him, and also would ruin any romantic relationship I had. When the love of my life (should have been) asked him about me (a wedding), he started a decades-long undermining that not only discredited me, but ruined my husband’s life and career. The malignant sadism of these Ns is beyond description and belief.
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Her aging process is to bait, gaslight, and torment me, taking out her deep seated resentments on me. With the possibility of alcohol dementia (she drank life-long), her behaviors are worsening. And, I have no one to help me. This is a nightmare.
This is my mother to a T. When my beautiful 20-y/o daughter recently passed away, NM still couldn’t stop badmouthing her even though she had always been an exemplary and pleasant child. She didn’t even attend the funeral and when she visited 3 months later she threw a jealousy fit about how we’re all obsessed with our daughter/sister’s death and won’t be able to grieve her properly when she passes away.
On the anniversary of my daughter’s funeral last week, I interrupted her 15-min long monologue about her every bodily function, errands, travels, hatred of fat women (like me) with nice-looking husbands, all Americans, etc. to merely say I wasn’t doing so well. She immediately started screaming at me that I’m a “burden to the family” with my grief and that I’m hurting my husband with my “depression”. The fact is I was starting to get out again and have been working hard at healing from this devastation but every time I tried to mention my activities, new friends, etc she would interrupt me to change the subject.
Scolding a grieving mother for grieving is the ultimate emotional abuse (not that it’s anything new) and I finally have had enough. My greatest shame is that due to a misguided sense of obligation (and maybe Stockholm Syndrome) I kept this horrible woman in our lives this long.
Excellent article! In my experience I managed to survive a Narcissist step ‘dad’ who was quite abusive, when I became an adult I thought finally I am free and lived happily for 10+ years slowly working my way out poverty. Sadly I ended up with a Narcissist wife who is also abusive but in different ways (we are both responsible people with careers and doing ok financially so I dont understand why she is like that). In the long term I really have no choice but to leave the relationship but delaying as long as I can to protect my daughter’s sanity at least until she gets older. Unfortunately my wife is ultra critical and seemingly getting worse (she cant seem to control herself), even trying to get her to calm down she will turn into an argument, Its not a long term sustainable living environment. Eventually i will be free one way or the other 🙂
Ms Hall you are hands down the best writer on this disorder, capturing the experience perfectly. Your writing style is excellent as well.
Dear Julia,I find your articles brilliant and so helpful,especially the above about the ageing narcissist. I wonder if you have anything on the narcissist with dementia and how to cope? Any advice gratefully received. Thank you
Wow… this is all so I had been dealing with what I thought was a difficult mother. Ended up talking to a psychologist two days ago, and that was the first time I even heard about NPD. I have a question.. I recognize most signs – control, rage, superiority, critical, entitled, demanding, etc – however, she DOES love me, tries to do many things for me and does not put me down (just doesn’t praise or appreciate anything I do, at least to me), does shows some level of empathy. Is this a mandatory symptom, or are there various degrees and a person can still a be NPD without showing all text-book tell signs?
Thanks so much for this wealth of info – so very useful in understanding what I have been dealing with for 50 years..
What I found true is that narcissism is on a spectrum from mild to severe. Thus, some traits may or may not be seen at any given time. What I did is look at the person over time, 50 years too, to see patterns and consistency of behaviors.
The aging process eliminates the ‘false self’, the charming front the N has used successfully for many years. Thus, we start to see the ‘real self’, all the negativity that’s been masked, or kept covert. The comments made spontaneously are what’s to watch as those comments reveal much. Responses to questions are usually contrived, meaning the N says what they think the other person wants to hear, thus are not reliable.
The signs you noted, Rita, are similar especially the demanding and controlling. All are behaviors that have been around for years, or decades, but have been masked.
Coming to terms with the unmasking has been very helpful for me.
Thank you for this article. My mother in law has had npd all her life but now at the age of 80 , she is losing it and it’s hard for us. Her delusion is huge and she looks down on everyone. She is very negative . Very hard to be around her…she’s an ugly person.
This is all so true and confirming of my own experience with an elderly narcissist. I felt less alone reading the article and posts. I find it especially hard dealing with the guilt and sadness .for this person who has pushed everyone away. Whatever is done for her is never enough and she is consumed with rage ,malice and loneliness, and remains,in her mind, superior.
My loved one and I have stressed with respect to why she can’t make the modification, what we can propose or do from 3 hours away or during our uncommon visits. You just offered us the reaction. Nothing will satisfy her. She didn’t go to the burial service and when she visited 3 months after the fact she had an envy tantrum about how we’re altogether fixated on our little girl.
i have downloaded the book. we are in lock down now in spain and stuck at home with whom i think is a narcisitic husband. i feel free now because our business is closed. and i dont want to go back to it. i feel like a prisoner as my husband hasn’t left the couch for a week. He wont discuss anyone being allowed in my home my son is next door stranded in spain . i realise now he sees this home as HIS. not ours . i am sociable. he isnt and doesnt care if he sees no one . so how do i get out of this relationship. after 30 years and raised kids from 24 to 48 years old. he is 54. i am 66 thanks a million
My father and only (older) brother are narcissists. My father is definitely getting worse. I went no-contact about 6 weeks ago. I’m never looking back. Too much of a good life ahead for me. I am finding my own way of making peace with the fact that I won’t be aware of my Dad’s passing whenever that should happen (He’ll be 80 later this year) or it will be through the grapevine. I refuse to feel guilty because I didn’t do anything wrong. I wouldn’t want to go to a funeral and have to act like he was a good man. And I can be quite outspoken but I wouldn’t want to spoil the affair with the truth.
So accurate. Watching a narcissist age is truly witnessing the mask melting away. My narcissist mother became 20 times more of a monster when menopause hit, coinciding with me being in my late teens/early twenties. Coincidence that I started getting white hair at age 19? I am 27 years old now almost 25% of my hair is bright white, and I honestly suspect a connection to trauma/abuse. Would be so interesting to find more research about that. Anyways, I have stopped dyeing and now proudly display my white hair as a “badge of honour,” whatever the cause is. Of course, the white hair is NOTHING compared to the 20+ years of emotional, psychological, and sometimes physical abuse. I personally believe NO CONTACT is the way to go, but even then, my mother has proven she can still cause me to unravel with us living in different cities and not speaking to each other. THAT is the power of a narcissist. DO NO UNDERESTIMATE THEM. You must always assume the worst. Mind games and using other family members to trigger you. It’s so hard not to react, but honestly, the reaction is what they want. They want you to unravel. They want you to look like the crazy one, so they can tell everyone, “See? Look how irrational she is! She’s always been like this. What’s her problem?” Trust me, they won’t change, they just won’t. This is a brain disease. The only thing you can do, especially as the scapegoat, is to cut ties and move on. You have to do what’s best for you, or you will end up just as miserable as them. Final word, my mom actually WANTS me to fail, wants me to struggle. She always has and always will. There is NO POINT trying to change her. So the best revenge is to FLY. Fly so high they can’t touch you. They will stay in their miserable fantasy land down on the ground, where they are the only ones who can be the hero, and no one else will ever EVER be good enough. SO FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
I am just writing this to give another perspective. I have recently become a Christian and I have realised after years of therapy and introspection is that the reason I had relationship after relationship with one Narc after another, friendship with one Narc after another and in every job they could sniff me out (most bullies are narcissists too or have one of the Dark Triad/Tetrad personality disorders or Cluster B personality disorders)..
The reason I am such a Narc magnet is that my dad is a Narcissist and I am the Scapegoat. Now that he is going into his 70’s he is getting worse and worse and worse. It is constant moaning, fault finding, blaming and pessimism. Like others say, it is very hard to like, let alone love such a person. He is my dad though and despite it all, despite everything he has ever done, I forgive him and love him.
All the advice about having an NPD parent is to go “No Contact”. The problem with No Contact is that asserting such a boundary gives them such a narcissistic injury that they will double down and even triple down on you and make your life worse than it was before. I tried to instigate low contact and my dad basically stalked me, drove over to my house unannounced, plagued me with phone calls and I became a nervous wreck. It is actually way easier to have him in my life than to cut him out because cutting him out was like throwing down the gauntlet and declaring war on him and after all Narcs live for war.
Unless you leave the country and go to the other side of the world, then they will make your life a living hell, a worse hell than before. This is my experience…Obviously, if you are moved to do No Contact and have the means and resources than that is the way to go. Another downside to No Contact (aside from not having the financial or physical means to put it in to place) for me low/no contact was far more traumatic then being with my dad. I know that many will say this is the trauma bond or being co-dependent but to be honest, it seemed to consume more of my time and energy “not thinking/ dealing” with him.
I still maintain a pretty close relationship with him but I have stronger boundaries now. I stand up to him and there is back and forth and then he goes back to his space and later acts like nothing has happened. I have developed anger issues over it but am working on that. What I try to do is “observe and not absorb” when he starts being a pain. I think the key here is to not rely on them for ANYTHING and if you expect nothing from them and then receive anything good from them count it as a blessing but don’t see it as a change as it is probably a hoover. I don’t expect parental love from him anymore as my heavenly father has given me an abundance. God’s love has healed all the heartbreak and emptiness I once had. If my dad shows me love from time to time, I accept it happily but with no illusions.
Through my faith I can forgive my father and also I pray for his salvation. I pray that he doesn’t die a bitter and angry man because that is a terrible fate for anyone. I wouldn’t wish that on a dog. If I can show him love and forgiveness in the face of all he’s done, I can witness Christ to him and may lead him on that path himself as I believe it is only though faith that a heart can truly change.
There is a spiritual dimension to all of this that very few touch upon, after all we are all involved in a great spiritual battle here on earth. The fact that Narcissists have almost identical behavioural and even speech patterns proves that they are all of the same spirit. It is my opinion that we are dealing with unclean spirits here. In other words fallen angels/ demons.
God bless
p.s. If you are interested in a biblical/ spiritual perspective on Narcissism and also in other methods instead of No Contact, I recommend “The First Will Be Last” by D C Robertsson
Emma, I too am a Christian. I too was the scapegoat and I too struggled with No Contact. But I went no contact 15 months ago. I am at peace and much stronger since I no longer see my tormenter. Please do not equate No Contact with not being a good Christian. Please respect everyone else’s decision about the relationship they have or do not have with their parent or narcissistic other. You want a book, a good Christian book? Try Boundaries, written by two ministers, Henry Cloud and John Townsend.
Hi Sarah. I didn’t actually equate that going No Contact means being a bad Christian anywhere in fact I said the opposite that in some cases No Contact is essential for healing and well being.
I’m sorry that you read that into what I wrote.
All our parents and experiences are very different and Narcissism is to different varying degrees. My dad’s narcissism is probably a lot lower on the spectrum than others because I can actually get along with him for most part. I know that other people have it worse than me and others have it better.
Yes I have got the book you recommended. I do think forgiveness is a huge part of Christianity but sometimes the only way to forgive is after you no longer have contact with a person.
I sometimes read testimonies of people who have been sexually abused who have become Christian and they pray for their abuser. Is this a wrong thing to do? If that heals them and is in alignment with God’s will than surely that is right for them? Other people who have been sexually abused don’t want to do that and that is understandable. Aren’t we all different with different experiences? My journey is different from yours.
I meant no disrespect with what I wrote, I was merely providing a different opinion than the usual echo chamber of “no contact” that I have been stuck in for years. There is more than one answer to this question and it is an extremely painful and difficult question to answer. Such a huge and painful topic demands nuance and understanding than a blunt one size fits all answer.
Also I wanted to add that I found No Contact to be traumatic whereas some people don’t. It’s not nice to feel shamed into doing No Contact against my will just because the majority do it. I haven’t failed at No Contact because I haven’t done it, it simply doesn’t work for me and made things worse, for others it is the only thing that works.
I think there should be more advice given on other ways on managing contact for those who for whatever reason can’t or won’t go No Contact. So many people are not given a voice because they don’t adhere to the No Contact rules. Why can’t we let these other people who struggled with no contact speak? Why are they told to shut up when they offer another way of looking at it. Doesn’t this hurt people further? We’ve already been hurt by narcissists, why do we have to be hurt by the very community we look towards for healing? Can’t we have a nuanced and intelligent debate on this that encompasses different experiences and stories or do we all have to shut up and go no contact if we want any help at all.
My 74 year old Mom has always been a narcissist, but she is getting worse as she gets older. When I was 38, I was diagnosed with a benign brain tumor. I went on social security disability. With having a limited income, my boyfriend and I decided to move where it is less expensive to live. My Mom told me she would “get me” in a vindictive tone. She took me to court for shared custody of my son. She used my brain tumor against me. No doctor of mine would ever say I am supposedly incompetent to raise my son. The judge awarded her primary physical custody. My Mom had an attorney. We couldn’t afford one. She has had my son for 10 years now. She is not compliant with the court order visitation schedule. My Mom keeps me in the dark about my son. When my boyfriend died from cancer, she assumed that I would move back with her. At 49, she wanted me to move back into her home to take care of her, her boyfriend and my son. Although I miss my son, I don’t want to live with my Mom again. With being on disability, it would be difficult for me to rent another place since I have no credit and can’t afford to live in my hometown anymore. I don’t want to end up homeless. My Mom and her friend have an outstanding mortgage that I couldn’t afford to pay. When they die, I would have nowhere to go. My Mom is also a hoarder. I wouldn’t even have my own room. My Mom has a three bedroom house, but all her rooms are loaded with tons of decorations. My son sleeps on a daybed among all her dolls. She is not willing to clear out a room to make more space either. My Mom also told me that if I would move home, she would put parental controls on what news channels she didn’t want me to watch! She is a Trump supporter and didn’t want me watching CNN, MSNBC, etc.! My Mom is very toxic for my soul and spirit. If attorneys weren’t so expensive, I would have taken her to court by now. My Mom loathes my independence and tries to sabotage it any way she can. I believe my Mom has a mental illness that was never diagnosed. I even told her that I believe we need counseling. She has been giving me the silent treatment since I mentioned that. I know my Mom has a serious problem when she doesn’t want to communicate with me about going to counseling.
Why is there such a proliferation and “apocalypse” of narcissism at present?
@Emma, You are absolutely right. Going low contact can be easier than no contact. I would fear, not for my life, but for my reputation, sanity, and happiness if I ever went no contact with my narcissistic Mom. Once when my husband and I told her emphatically on the phone that it was just not a good time for a visit (both my husband and I were crazy busy with work), she and my enabler Dad bought plane tickets anyway and flew across the country to visit. They were retired and it wasn’t even a holiday, they just wanted to come visit when they wanted to come. I seriously wasn’t even going to open the door to them, but my husband saw that ignoring them completely would just escalate matters, so we did invite them in and had them stay with us for a week. My Mom was completely unhelpful of course, and complained about every little thing and I wound up being late on a project that would not otherwise have been late. Sigh.
Also, my N Mom is aging poorly. This is what brought me to this page. She is 86, I think. When we were growing up, she absolutely refused to tell us how old she was, so I am still not 100% sure. She has gotten by on her looks, taste, displays of wealth (with the emphasis on display — she has an amazing house on which she can barely afford taxes and upkeep because she is actually not wealthy).
I just spoke with her yesterday (we speak every month or two) and she was really depressed. Why? She and her second husband (my stepfather) had no one to spend Thanksgiving with (hmmm, wonder why?) and they absolutely could not spend Thanksgiving alone! So, they somehow wangled an invitation to a family gathering with basically a complete stranger — someone she met at the supermarket earlier that week (she is great at chatting up strangers). Then, she felt upset that lo and behold she wasn’t the center of attention at this person’s family gathering. The star was their 10 month old granddaughter. Imagine that?!?! Some random person she meets is more interested in their grandchild than her. The nerve!
I agree Janet. Ultimately we are stuck with managing these types and we do so with the hope of the least amount of collatorol damage possible. I know that if I went no contact then it would set off a megaton nuclear bomb in the family and my sister and my mother (who I am close to) would really really suffer the most.
I just couldn’t do it but it all depends on how malignant is the narcissism. Like I said, one size fits all doesn’t work.
No contact for me would be like cold war Russia V USA and assured mutual destruction. I am not nearly rookie enough to pull off such a kamikaze mission.
I can totally understand though that if there aren’t any people you would miss then it makes more sense.
We all have to do one of those risk/benefit analysis checks before we make our decision.
Medium contact with boundaries works best for me. Every time I avoid them, it is worse for me. The anguish and the anxiety consumes the whole day whereas if I check in with them frequently but make excuses when things get a bit “narcy” then I can usually put down the phone and get on with my life unscathed. Whenever I purposefully back off I set off the narcy alarm bells and then I feel like I’ve been put in a boxing ring.
If I try to have as normal a relationship as possible with boundaries (with consequences) than 9 times out of 10 it becomes just an annoyance than major trauma (like it used to be.)
Remember that both boundaries and backing off creates a narcissist injury so it can sometimes feel lose/lose.
It’s only with experience that you can work out a place that is only annoying rather than traumatising.
I think maybe the work on myself has actually paid off as I don’t seem to give good supply anymore. My father has to now seek secondary supply by hating people on tv, news, youtube. Unfortunately, because I’m not a good scapegoat anymore and I am more confident and self possessed these days, my dad has turned on my mother now so I need to be around to help her and support her through the abuse and manipulation she now gets instead of me.
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Foolish me. I did not foresee the continuation of abuse toward me by my well to do mother after my father died, otherwise I would have kept it a secret from her that I ended up moving only about 1 mile away from her. She saw this as the green light to continually call me, the 24 hr. concierge service, to take care of her every need. A real pain in the butt. Things really deteriorated when she made a left turn with her new car into a dump truck (his fault, of course), sending 2 people to the emergency room. This was shortly after she had driven into a garbage truck (his fault, also). I HAD a brother that lived an hour away, who very skillfully threw me under the bus to take her car shopping. I refused, and wouldn’t you know it, because of me, her insurance company jacked up her rates. Her hatred toward me really started to show. She removed me as her executor, and had her golden baby move every one of her worthless house full of 1952 blonde wood Scandinavian furniture items to Pennsylvania to his house. Shortly thereafter, she had him move the junk into an assisted living home. Something that I had suggested 5 years earlier, which was viewed with suspicion.
Oh yes, as nutso as this woman was, she got worse in her 80’s. My only compensation out of this is knowing that she became his problem, but only for about 2 years until she died. Too bad that she didn’t live another 10 years.
I’m a 75 year old male narcissist. Article hits nail on head unfortunately. What a wasted life. Do anything to make right with all the people that have been hurt. Realizing the truth not easy. Ugly way to live, even uglier way to die.
Tim, if you are really honest about making things right with people and saying sorry, there is still time and never too late. The only thing is that if they don’t accept your apology then you will have to accept that. You cannot force people to forgive you as most will assume it is a hoover for more supply and you have to be honest whether that is what you really want, to hoover them for supply.
The thing about trust is that once it has been betrayed it is nigh on impossible to build back again but if that is what you want to do then you will need to start now to be able to win people over again.
You have to make sure your intentions are sincere as if you want to build trust with them just to “get at them one more time” then it is likely to sever you off from everyone forever and leave you to face mortality alone.
I also think that at your stage in life you need to seek God’s forgiveness as that, not other people, will have a bearing on where you will spend eternity. If you start living for God now rather than yourself then your life will not be a total waste after all and it will heal your Narcissism so that you can be kind to others for the first time.
It is not completely too late for you, you can be forgiven but you have to make the decision now to change as tomorrow may be too late. I will pray for you.
Thank you! I’m going to read all your articles – my mental/physical health is very poor – I just feel surrounded by narcissists, my Mum, Sister, ex husband, his Mum, my new partners ex and even my partners colleague at work- it gets me they have successful lives whilst leaving destruction in their wake –